Sunday, July 8, 2012
Life after Death
There is no life after death.
At least, not to my knowledge.
I've had this discussion with plenty of people, some claiming that there is an afterlife, or maybe you'll get re-born as someone else.
But that is just a stupid thing to assume.
Afterlife would be something religious, I guess. So it would be something I wouldn't and can't believe in, in the first place.
Getting re-born as someone else, isn't life after death either.
No one in their right mind, can tell me what kind of life they've had, before the life they have now.
So getting "reborn" is nothing but someone getting born, the second you die.
There will be no thoughts of your past life, nothing. So that "other person", wouldn't be you.
Therefor, you're not reborn.
If people ask me "What do you think that happens, after you die?", I always give them the same answer. An answer that consist of the following question:
"What can you remember, from before you were born?"
Everyone, (except from the crazy people, telling me they used to be a strawberry in their past life, living it up with their strawberry friends, playing games with grapes and shit, enjoying the sun) gives me the same answer; which is "Nothing."
And that is exactly the answer to your question.
Nothing happens, after you die. It's like pulling the plug from a TV or computer. The TV shuts off and other than that, it does nothing. It's not like, when I pull the plug from my TV, some other TV magically turns on.
Even IF, you got "reborn", after you died, there wouldn't be a single person who could prove it, since they wouldn't remember the discussion they had in their past life, thus it's not being "reborn" but simply, someone else that got born, at the same moment you died.
Just a mere coincidence. That shit actually happens all the time.
Knowing this, is exactly the reason why I don't fear, or care about death.
Sure it's nice to be alive, but the second you die, you'll no longer have any memory of that life, or anything else for that matter.
You wouldn't miss the life you had, cause you wouldn't miss anything.
You wouldn't see your family and friends be in misery or pain, cause they lost a loved one, because you wouldn't see anything.
You wouldn't feel getting buried 6 feet under, or cremated, because you wouldn't feel anything.
Death is actually quite peaceful, but it's not even that. Death is nothing.
The End.
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I believe that the fear of death is tied to the ego. The ego needs a sense of seperation to idenitfy things. When the ego is threatened it collapses on itself because it's made for the process of identification, which is in principle based on separtion. It simply says: this is you and this is me, we are different, but by these differences we can know what is us and ours. These boarders define yet restrain. It has been hardwired by evolution. All the while on the smallest level all things are just a big interconnected sea of information and energy. Take non locality for instance. We are connected, yet seperate.
ReplyDeleteThe current problem is the ever increasing diversification taking place. Ego as a primary mechanism fails these days because of this. Quite blankly put: sociaty looses connection to the true nature of reality. Things like media and advertising pollute consciousness with schemes based on this very same mechanism. The western religions have turned into showbizz, perversity and a lust for power and prestige.
Still it can't be denied that ancient knowledge so coherent in human nature all over the world holds truth. The buddhists are probably the most close to a sustainable approach without too much pompus folklore and killing eachother for that sake.
We live in a materialistic world where people put too much attention to the boarders between the boxes and how they are different, but a lot less on what's inside. Since this rigid approach can quickly tend to assume the boarders are the reality. If then no exchange takes place death is very real indeed. Yet this universe is only based on inclusion and interconnection. Nothing really disappears, it just changes into something else.
Death is nothing, but also everything at the same time. You defined it very well with reasoning and logic, but I believe there is more to a human than a bank of memories that just disappears or resets. Our influence in exchange of energy and information is more than just a series of snapshots to be erased. Ideas live on and so does consciousness, without the need for sunstained awareness of a certain individual.
You fail to take into account the hard problem of consciousness. Yes we are all made of stardust and if we die the same building blocks will continue to be part of the "whole", but we don't(!) have a collective consciousness (unless you call the extelligence of our society a consciousness in which case nobody to our knowledge is actually experiencing this consciousness, aka it's a philosophical zombie) so the boundaries between different beings is actually real. If(!) those other beings around you have a consciousness (instead of being philosophical zombies, which Occam's razor would suggest they are) than it is different(!) from your consciousness.
DeleteEgo is indeed build up from a sense of separation of consciousness. But this sense is healthy, realistic and logical from the vieuwpoint of the individual.
I take hedonistic indulgence of my materialistic wishes and Ego over "ancient buddhistic knowledge" anytime. The fact that Buddhism is sustainable is beside the point if we are discussing the fact that individual humans have an Ego that will at some point seize to exist.
Our ideas, our energy's and motions, are influence on the whole of the universe doesn't sieze to exist. But we do. And a person is nothing more than a bank of memories that just disappears when it dies. Ideas live on, but not your individual consciousness.
Nicely said.
ReplyDeleteSurely, our ideas can be passed on, to and by others. Whether we are alive, or dead.
Take 'Steve Jobs' for example.
Steve's brilliance, passion and energy were the source of countless innovations that enrich and improve most (all) of our lives, even now, after he passed away.
A memory of him, will leave a mark on this world, for probably a very, very long time. (If not forever)
But the fact remains, that the man's life, has come to an end.
Jobs is buried in an unmarked grave at Alta Mesa Memorial Park, simply rotting away. (To put it blunt)
The chances of him, looking down on us, are slim, to say the least.
Even though the memory of this man remains, in the minds and hearts of others, it does not state that he 'lives on'.
He'll never be forgotten, he'll never be -erased-.
He might even still have an impact on things around us, indirectly. Which is because of his ideas and because of this 'memory' that he left behind.
But he died as a human and with that, his human identity, personal memories and instincts are lost forever. He'll never be that person again.
He wont get reborn, not as a different person, animal or any object for that matter. He's not high up in the sky, in some heaven VIP lounge.
I agree that we might be present within the minds of others, but this alone, cannot be seen as 'life'. At least, not to me.
So where his influence might 'live on', so to say, there is no life after death, for his materialistic body.
That all ended, around 3 p.m. on October 5, 2011.
who the fuck cares if this subject bothers you your a retard cos it is a personal belief not some bullshit that comes up to your face and really anoys you like the rest of your posts, respect lost
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure who you're talking to, Kyly'. But it's all good, you keep trollin' away.
ReplyDeleteSince you were adressing the possiblity of an afterlife where ones mind can live on. As far as common belief or the lack thereof. I do believe consciousness is not a result of human life but rather the source of it.
ReplyDeleteThe body just dies and is transformed to compost at best. But the essence of life which is consciousness isn't tied to this process. By this I am not putting any emphaty on a glorified life after death, but rather on true nature of what consciousness is. We are connected to a eternal grid of information that is everywhere and is the basis for all that we are and yet that can't be observed through matter. How much weighs a thought for instance? Just because it can't be actually seen doesn't imply it isn't there.
There are many cases of people in respected positions to get sudded vivid insights to previous lives they lived. This goes as far as these people remembering certrain places and details that actually been confirmed by historic events. Yet they never could have heard of them before. (Source: Akasha Ervaring by Ervin Laszlo)
There is no scientific reason to believe the following:
Delete"But the essence of life which is consciousness isn't tied to this process."
Anecdotal evidence (no mater how respected the people's positions are) is not enough.
Even if we where connected to an eternal grid of information that we call quantum vacuum (for which we have no evidence), that doesn't suggest our individual consciousness lives on in some form or another.
A "thought" is a process, not matter. It weighs as much as any other process, which is nothing at all. How much does "moving" weigh? Nothing. The matter that moves has a weight, the moving doesn't. The matter that thinks has a weight, the thought doesn't.
Ervin Laszlo might be right, who knows, but there is nothing but anecdotes that actually points to his hypothesis, calling it a theory is an insult to actual scientific theory. And there are no anecdotes that point to anything remotely like individual consciousnesses living longer than their bodies in this field of information.